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		<title>By: &#124; Links: hyperlocal, sci-fi &#38; predictions, whack-a-mole matth.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#124; Links: hyperlocal, sci-fi &#38; predictions, whack-a-mole matth.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Backyard Post is a city directory edited by&#8230; editors that are paid moneys. Not as automated as EveryBlock, not as text-heavy as ArborWiki. William Hartnett&#8217;s &#8220;glorified spreadsheet&#8220;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Backyard Post is a city directory edited by&#8230; editors that are paid moneys. Not as automated as EveryBlock, not as text-heavy as ArborWiki. William Hartnett&#8217;s &#8220;glorified spreadsheet&#8220;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey A. Haines</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffhaines.com/blog/?p=33&#038;cpage=1#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey A. Haines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William,

Thanks for responding to my post. You make some great points in your comment, and give me a lot of hope for the kind of local coverage I am interested in. The first version of this blogpost was unfair, and I have edited it to more carefully express what I was trying to say, in light of your reaction.

Thank you for helping me to learn a valuable blogging lesson, and for taking time to participate in my blog.

I am posting some of the text of the email I sent you so that any readers can have some context for my edit:

&quot;In no way did I mean to trivialize or attack your work, and I will edit my post to hopefully better clarify my intentions.

I am really impressed with the breadth of the work you have been able to do, and I really hope you are extremely successful at utilizing the treasure trove of information you have been able to collect and that you are able to create a great place for community interaction.

I am just now graduating college, and I am, admittedly, extremely inexperienced. You accomplishments dwarf anything I have done, and probably will be able to do for the foreseeable future. I don&#039;t have a journalism degree, and I am definitely not a programmer, but I am trying to figure out a way to use my multimedia production skills to create &quot;community&quot; at a local level, because I am personally disturbed by the lack of investment and interest people seem to have in the places they live, work, and play. I think that any effort to better inform people about what is going on around them and show them how to get involved in their communities is a valiant pursuit.

I have been trying to process all of this reaction to Rob Curley&#039;s move from the Post, because the feeling of &quot;failure&quot; that people have been expressing towards his team&#039;s LoudonExtra publication completely startled me. I was able to see one of Rob&#039;s presentations via a digital video recording while at an internship last year, and his pitch excited and intrigued me. The idea of an online social community in respect to a geographical community seemed like the perfect way to remedy the shortfalls of large publications and to better equip people to live their lives.

Looking back at my rash post, I can see that I was not fair in my description of Backyard Post, and that I spoke and criticized before I adequately understood what you have accomplished and what you meant. I am very new to the world of blogging, and I appreciate that you read my post and took the time to respond to much of what I said.

Again, I did not mean to attack you personally, and I was not attempting to intentionally deride your work. I did not think before I typed. I am extremely impressed with the data you have amassed and I think you have created a killer presentation for it. It is obvious you have invested thousands of hours of work and have personally committed yourself to creating the best site possible--and it shows.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William,</p>
<p>Thanks for responding to my post. You make some great points in your comment, and give me a lot of hope for the kind of local coverage I am interested in. The first version of this blogpost was unfair, and I have edited it to more carefully express what I was trying to say, in light of your reaction.</p>
<p>Thank you for helping me to learn a valuable blogging lesson, and for taking time to participate in my blog.</p>
<p>I am posting some of the text of the email I sent you so that any readers can have some context for my edit:</p>
<p>&#8220;In no way did I mean to trivialize or attack your work, and I will edit my post to hopefully better clarify my intentions.</p>
<p>I am really impressed with the breadth of the work you have been able to do, and I really hope you are extremely successful at utilizing the treasure trove of information you have been able to collect and that you are able to create a great place for community interaction.</p>
<p>I am just now graduating college, and I am, admittedly, extremely inexperienced. You accomplishments dwarf anything I have done, and probably will be able to do for the foreseeable future. I don&#8217;t have a journalism degree, and I am definitely not a programmer, but I am trying to figure out a way to use my multimedia production skills to create &#8220;community&#8221; at a local level, because I am personally disturbed by the lack of investment and interest people seem to have in the places they live, work, and play. I think that any effort to better inform people about what is going on around them and show them how to get involved in their communities is a valiant pursuit.</p>
<p>I have been trying to process all of this reaction to Rob Curley&#8217;s move from the Post, because the feeling of &#8220;failure&#8221; that people have been expressing towards his team&#8217;s LoudonExtra publication completely startled me. I was able to see one of Rob&#8217;s presentations via a digital video recording while at an internship last year, and his pitch excited and intrigued me. The idea of an online social community in respect to a geographical community seemed like the perfect way to remedy the shortfalls of large publications and to better equip people to live their lives.</p>
<p>Looking back at my rash post, I can see that I was not fair in my description of Backyard Post, and that I spoke and criticized before I adequately understood what you have accomplished and what you meant. I am very new to the world of blogging, and I appreciate that you read my post and took the time to respond to much of what I said.</p>
<p>Again, I did not mean to attack you personally, and I was not attempting to intentionally deride your work. I did not think before I typed. I am extremely impressed with the data you have amassed and I think you have created a killer presentation for it. It is obvious you have invested thousands of hours of work and have personally committed yourself to creating the best site possible&#8211;and it shows.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: William M. Hartnett</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffhaines.com/blog/?p=33&#038;cpage=1#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>William M. Hartnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the links, Jeff.

To be fair, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wmhartnett.com/2008/06/04/now-solve-problems-fill-needs-get-jobs-done-later-be-cool/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my post&lt;/a&gt; is hardly about &quot;the state of &#039;hyperlocal.&#039;&quot; Rather, it&#039;s about one particular supposed example of the genre, and my view that is was anything but.

As I stated in one of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wmhartnett.com/2008/04/16/justifying-the-big-investment-step-by-step/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;other posts&lt;/a&gt; you linked to, the neighborhood layer I&#039;m still creating here in South Florida already is profitable, because it already &quot;powers&quot; an incredibly lucrative print product totally separate from &lt;a&gt;Backyard Post&lt;/a&gt;. Even lacking any editorial product at all, however, such an effort would be worthwhile because of the potentially incredible value it creates for a newspaper&#039;s marketing and circulation efforts. The &quot;crazy&quot; part was deciding to single-handedly start making such a detailed investment in my community. The truly crazy part, however, is that every other newspaper in the country is NOT making a similar investment in their market.

Our &quot;glorified spreadsheet,&quot; as I&#039;ve repeatedly stated, is still months away from a public release. While it is a technically live site today, it has received absolutely no promotion in our market, and reflects only a tiny fraction of both the editorial and advertising plans we have for it. Municipal boundaries might change, but neighborhood boundaries don&#039;t, at least not in South Florida. That&#039;s the sort of lesson you learn when you spend eight years learning the ins and outs of your market. As for changing demographics, we&#039;re creating a tool that will allow residents to actually track the precise dimensions of such change.

Even accepting your &quot;glorified spreadsheet&quot; judgment as accurate, you&#039;d likely find such a tool incredibly useful if you lived in real estate-obsessed South Florida. Another lesson you learn when you actually spend some time living in and learning about your community. Our real estate data automatically updates five days a week, with no human interaction whatsoever, by the way, so I&#039;m not sure &quot;database information changes too often&quot; is a particularly relevant, or even coherent, point.

&quot;Do people even care about super-duper-local?&quot; If you had $300,000 or more tied up in your house and two children in the elementary school across the street from your neighborhood, yes, you do indeed care about super-duper-local. And I don&#039;t know how much business-side research you&#039;ve studied, but it may or may not surprise you to learn that 75 to 90 percent of public-facing businesses in a typical newspaper market are non-consuming, which is to say they have no advertising relationship whatsoever with the local newspaper. The No. 1 job to be done when those non-consuming small business owners are surveyed? Help me reach a targeted audience in a specific geography. Does that not seem like a problem to you, a fundamental market reality challenging your assertion that regionalism is the future, as opposed to the failed past? 

I&#039;ll keep drawing neighborhood boundaries, thank you, though I heartily encourage you to pursue whatever audience and business strategy you see fit with your own media endeavors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the links, Jeff.</p>
<p>To be fair, <a href="http://www.wmhartnett.com/2008/06/04/now-solve-problems-fill-needs-get-jobs-done-later-be-cool/" rel="nofollow">my post</a> is hardly about &#8220;the state of &#8216;hyperlocal.&#8217;&#8221; Rather, it&#8217;s about one particular supposed example of the genre, and my view that is was anything but.</p>
<p>As I stated in one of the <a href="http://www.wmhartnett.com/2008/04/16/justifying-the-big-investment-step-by-step/" rel="nofollow">other posts</a> you linked to, the neighborhood layer I&#8217;m still creating here in South Florida already is profitable, because it already &#8220;powers&#8221; an incredibly lucrative print product totally separate from <a>Backyard Post</a>. Even lacking any editorial product at all, however, such an effort would be worthwhile because of the potentially incredible value it creates for a newspaper&#8217;s marketing and circulation efforts. The &#8220;crazy&#8221; part was deciding to single-handedly start making such a detailed investment in my community. The truly crazy part, however, is that every other newspaper in the country is NOT making a similar investment in their market.</p>
<p>Our &#8220;glorified spreadsheet,&#8221; as I&#8217;ve repeatedly stated, is still months away from a public release. While it is a technically live site today, it has received absolutely no promotion in our market, and reflects only a tiny fraction of both the editorial and advertising plans we have for it. Municipal boundaries might change, but neighborhood boundaries don&#8217;t, at least not in South Florida. That&#8217;s the sort of lesson you learn when you spend eight years learning the ins and outs of your market. As for changing demographics, we&#8217;re creating a tool that will allow residents to actually track the precise dimensions of such change.</p>
<p>Even accepting your &#8220;glorified spreadsheet&#8221; judgment as accurate, you&#8217;d likely find such a tool incredibly useful if you lived in real estate-obsessed South Florida. Another lesson you learn when you actually spend some time living in and learning about your community. Our real estate data automatically updates five days a week, with no human interaction whatsoever, by the way, so I&#8217;m not sure &#8220;database information changes too often&#8221; is a particularly relevant, or even coherent, point.</p>
<p>&#8220;Do people even care about super-duper-local?&#8221; If you had $300,000 or more tied up in your house and two children in the elementary school across the street from your neighborhood, yes, you do indeed care about super-duper-local. And I don&#8217;t know how much business-side research you&#8217;ve studied, but it may or may not surprise you to learn that 75 to 90 percent of public-facing businesses in a typical newspaper market are non-consuming, which is to say they have no advertising relationship whatsoever with the local newspaper. The No. 1 job to be done when those non-consuming small business owners are surveyed? Help me reach a targeted audience in a specific geography. Does that not seem like a problem to you, a fundamental market reality challenging your assertion that regionalism is the future, as opposed to the failed past? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep drawing neighborhood boundaries, thank you, though I heartily encourage you to pursue whatever audience and business strategy you see fit with your own media endeavors.</p>
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